Attorney Michael Fattorosi was a guest on Sex Squad Tuesday night with host Jayden Jaymes www.toadhopnetwork.com/f/Seks
Fattorosi was there to discuss “No” on Measure B, but thanks to an issue brought up by one caller from Ohio, Fattorosi also had to admit, as I’ve been saying all along, that if you’re overly concerned about condoms being in porn, perhaps you’re focusing on the wrong thing.
The caller-in from Ohio felt that Measure B was ”bullshit and a waste of money.”
“As a porn consumer I think it’s crap and as someone who knows a little bit from talking to a few girls and reading a few things, it doesn’t look like you guys cannot govern yourself because you guys tests. Someone wants to get their hands in the coffers. This Weinstein guy seems like a crazy little shit.”
Fattorosi asked the caller how he felt about condoms in movies.
“I have watched porn with condoms, but, with dental dams, that would make it extremely hard.”
“You’re more focused on the penetration, what’s going on down there,” Fattorosi assumed.
The caller felt that porn was an entire viewing experience.
“If you’re focused on a condom, aren’t you spending too much time looking at a penis?” Fattorosi wondered.
“Wow dude!” said the guy.
“I thought the same thing,” said Jaymes.
“Anyone who really cares about the condom, you’re paying a little too much attention to the penis.”
Fattorosi assumed that Jaymes probably fields a lot of questions about a man’s penis size.
“I do get that all the time,” she said.
“Guys are obsessed.
“We have re-trained the male viewer in porn to focus on the cock,” observed Fattorosi.
“There are so many websites, Monster Cock, this cock, that cock, the angles that they use show off the cock. Porn has become very homoerotic. The cock is what the directors are focusing on.”
“You can’t help but notice it,” added the caller.
Jaymes said unless a male performer is 9 inches, no one wants to see it.
“Why are you looking at that?”
“I don’t care if it’s short or long as long as the guy can fuck the chick,” answered the caller.
“I’m sure lots of other people agree with me. I’m sure lots of people want to see, you know, huge schlong, you know.”
Another caller was concerned that goggles would make their way into porn scenes and that forcing it on people was entirely wrong.
“That could become a huge fetish,” Jaymes laughed.
“I kind of want to shoot a scene like that, full blown, let me get my goggles not cum on my face.”
“I get it- the safe sex thing,” continued Jaymes. “But to force adults to use protection is absolutely ridiculous. The Aids Healthcare Foundation is trying to tell people that we’re the most dangerous and a threat to society which is complete bullshit.”
With Jaymes saying that, Fattorosi also made another good point that, on the condom issue, Michael Weinstein and AHF are using the same fear mongering tactic against the adult business that was used against the gay community when the world became aware of HIV.
“That’s the position that was used against the gay community when AIDs first came out. That was, oh my God, the gays are going to spread that disease by toilet seats and door knobs. But they learned that lesson well. That’s what they’re using against us. No question. They are using that fear mongering that we’re going to spread disease as a community just as it was used against them back in the Eighties.”
Fattorosi noted there’s a whole niche that’s devoted to the fear of pregnancy which could go by the boards.
“Guys get off on the fact that he may be popping inside of her and cumming inside of her and getting her pregnant. That’s a specific niche. And that will be a niche affected by condoms. That type of porn will go away. So will bukkakes and cream pies.”
Jaymes wanted to know who invented the “cream pie” term.
[Actually it was Mark Kulkis when he was running Kickass Pictures.]
“Why cream pie?” asked Jaymes. “It’s nutting inside of a pussy.”
“Cream pie sounds so perverted,” thought Jaymes who has done several of those scenes for real, whereas many in the genre are faked thanks to a Pina Colada mix.
“And you can buy fake juice at a sex store,” she added.
“You can buy different fluids to put inside of a girl and they’ll cut and squirt the stuff up in the vagina.”
The industry term is FIP, fake internal pop.
James also noted that Fattorosi has been tweeting extensively on Measure B and wondered if he’s heard from the opposition.
“’Yes on B’ tweets me,” he laughed.
“I don’t know why; they like try to use my words to say, ‘oh look, he’s the porn attorney.’ Aids Healthcare Foundation sent out a press release about me. They called me the top porn attorney and they were citing something I had written about shooting porn outside of California and they were trying to use that to say, how, basically, we’re stuck in California and can’t leave. They sent me nice traffic.”
In making another point Jaymes referred to herself as an “independent contractor”. Fattorosi corrected her.
“You’re an employee,” he said which is a distinction many in the industry fail to make.
Because Proposition 35 is also on the LA County ballot next Tuesday, Fattorosi and Jaymes got on the subject of escorting.
“They say porn stars are escorts or porn stars are all hookers,” Jaymes comments. “From my point of view I’m in a movie-making industry. I’m not in a sex-for-money industry.”
“But you are,” Fattorosi reminded her.
“Everyone who is a dancer, a cam girl, a porn star, an escort, a prostitute, it’s the sex industry. They’re all selling sex one way or the other. Instead of having us divided amongst all these different people, Ballot Measure B is a good reason we should be joined because united we stand, divided we fall. Not only are we fighting Ballot Measure B, the escorts and prostitutes in California are fighting Proposition 35, the human trafficking laws.
“Right now there’s no real connect between the porn industry and the escorting and prostitution businesses,” he continued.
“And we’re kind of fighting these battles by ourselves. Were we together, we’d be much stronger. And if the dancers were a part of this, and all those women out there that are cam girls- it doesn’t have to be a union, it just has to be joined; it has to be solidarity and strength in numbers. People will realize they can’t pick on us. Right now we’re being picked on by Ballot Measure B by Weinstein and Aids Healthcare Foundation because he sees that we’re weak. And if we weren’t weak, he couldn’t pick on us.”
Jaymes reminded her audience that the Measure would also incorporate not only condoms but dental dams, goggles and latex gloves for starters “in order to promote safe sex”.
Fattorosi also mentioned that AHF’s former attorney Brian Chase mysteriously left the organization several months ago.
“Nobody really knows why he left- but I really wanted to debate him one-on-one on your show.
“Then somebody tweeted me that he was long gone. I’m in the mood to debate someone.”
Jaymes said she was against the Measure because she’s a consenting adult.
“I chose to be in this industry and I chose to have sex for money. Nobody’s forcing me to do anything. I’m an independent contractor [Fattorosi later corrected that notion]; I show up on set, I know what I got to do. I signed up for this job and I’m more than happy to do it.”
James laughed because at home she’s just the opposite- with the lights off and having regular missionary sex.
“People just assume that porn stars are getting banged with their legs spread wide open on the kitchen counter with my high heels and stockings spreading hot fudge on my boobs. It does not happen like that.”
“People don’t realize that porn stars are paid to do what they do, to act the way they act, and that’s not who they really are at home,” Fattorosi adds.
Jaymes laughed about the idea that when she visits the family for Christmas, it’s like, “Is the line around the block yet? Let’s get this going. People don’t understand that. I go home and I’m wearing a sweater and jeans. We’re just kickin’ it and talking about normal things.”
Fattorosi’s of the opinion that it’s helpful to Measure B knowing that porn performers are normal and the porn business is not some “wild, crazed, drug-fueled, disease-infested industry.”
“It’s just normal people that get paid.”
Jaymes has to laugh when people take the tact that they wouldn’t touch her vagina with a ten-foot pole.
“I couldn’t do my job if we had diseases; we test for that. If anyone has any strange bumps they get kicked off the set.”
[Except in the case of, maybe, Mr. Marcus.]
Fattorosi also made a good point that nurses work around diseases all the time yet no one suggests they’re disease-infested.
Jaymes mentioned that a girlfriend said she’d rather have Chlamydia than the flu.
“With Chlamydia you take pills, it’s gone in five days. With flu you’re in bed and suffering for a week.”
Jaymes also related a story in which a mainstream producer was trying to convince her to drop weight.
“I’m like, dude, come on!! I’m in this industry where I sell ASS. I have to have my ASS. I wanted to punch him. The camera adds ten pounds, I get it. In porn it’s great, I guess, but the other side of movie making isn’t. They want you to be stick-thin. I’m happy with my body. I think I look fabulous.”