Porn Valley- With a certain amount of glib commentary to accompany it, Wankus on his KSEX show, www.ksexradio.com Wednesday night offered excerpts of Rob Black’s interview with Ynotradio, wwwynotradio.com Wednesday afternoon.
And rightly so, because Black, who was once scheduled by KSEX to come in for an interview never showed. Wankus never mentioned that instance but put out the idea that it would be a good idea to hear what Black had to say in light of the recent developments in his case.
“It’s important information,” Wankus told his listeners. “It does affect us. It affects us as people in the industry, and it affects you as fans. The situation he’s going through is a precedent for what could happen to other people. If they shut him down for what he does- and I’ve got to be honest with you- I hate the shit Extreme did. I fucking loathe the shit Extreme did but if they shut him down and say you can’t do that, the next step is what KSEX does; the next step is what Uncle Stevie does…all these things can be fucked up.”
In the first clip Black was asked for his reaction when he heard that his case was thrown out by Judge Lancaster. “I actually wept for about twenty minutes,” Black tells hosts Ynot Bob and LA Jay. Wankus thought it funny that Black Mr. East Coast tough guy wept. Black was also asked if the judge’s decision shocked him.
“It wasn’t this judge kind of going out on a limb,” says Black. “He based a lot of his decision… the Supreme Court has already ruled in Lawrence v. Texas which was the sodomy case which instituted a right to privacy. Even [justice] Scalia who didn’t vote in favor of the decision, in his defending argument, he even wrote this fucking paper that this decision would set a precedent and would set the tone of Federal obscenity laws for years to come. He even said their decision would take in question if obscenity laws were now legal…our judge just went by what the Supreme Court did and took it a step further and said, hey Scalia, you’re fucking right.”
Addressing Black’s rather colorful vocabulary, Wankus said this is the tone Black generally sets in interviews with the media. That being said, Wankus made it clear that while he supports the cause, that as a representative of the adult industry someone has to be above the “New York motherfuckin’ cock suckin’ asshole government motherfuckin'” attitude. “You’re representing us all right now.”
Asking if she could contribute her two cents worth to the discussion, co-ho Michelle Lay wondered whether Black was out to defend the industry or just himself. Answering her own question, Lay said Black was not a Larry Flynt. “He’s not trying to make a stand for the industry.”
Wankus’ opinion was that it was also a matter of playing the game. “The point is when you’re playing the game you also have to take on a responsibility,” he said. “The responsibility is not just about look at all this great press I’m getting, I am actually speaking for the industry.”
Illustrating his point, Wankus said that’s why he yelled at Mary Carey for being on Leno, not because he has personal issues with Carey. “But because Mary Carey comes across as a complete fucking moron on Leno. The entire mainstream America looks at the adult industry as Mary Carey.”
Stressing the fact that he thought Carey was a sweetheart, Wankus feels that settings like that dictate a knowledge of what one is in for. “Everyone judges you for what you present.” Lay was also of the opinion that Carey and Black are too caught up in themselves in the spotlight. “They’re not thinking of everyone else’s future down the line.”
As further illustration, Wankus brought up the press conferences during last year’s HIV crisis, and noted how he had been asked by the mainstream for interviews. He’d defer to the likes of Sharon Mitchell and Nina Hartley. “That takes great restraint for a guy who loves the fuckin’ spotlight,” Wankus laughed. “I declined because I know I don’t have the experience or the history in this business to speak for this business. I backed off.”
Wankus further explained that he wouldn’t want to take down the industry by issuing moronic proclamations. Acknowledging that KSEX has made some inroads over the years, Wankus, on behalf of KSEX, said the station would never attempt to come off as the authority of the business. “We’re here for entertainment.”
Black was then asked why he agreed to the ABC interview. “I did Nightline Monday,” Black is heard to say. “Which is kind of like the shits. But I felt I owed it to them because when we first got in trouble they called me up and they were really good. And the piece they did was really good. So I kind of went on and they had this somethin’ [Patrick] Trueman, I don’t know what his first name was…jerkoff Trueman. And he used to work in the Justice Dept. during the Reagan era. So me and him when on there and [Ted] Koppel wasn’t there. There was this other jerkoff. And he didn’t know how to keep order. And the guy kept talking over me and cuttin’ me off. I was kind of in the position where, fuck, we already won the Super Bowl, what the fuck am I going to argue with you about? One of my objective friends who’s always honest with me, he’s like it didn’t hurt you but it didn’t help ya. You just kinda looked subdued. And I go what the fuck am I going to start screamin’ at this guy? And everybody would say, see, he IS a jerkoff. It’s all an act.”
Wankus was particularly amused with a Black soundbite in which he talks about being humbled. “I’ve been very humbled about it,” says Black. “Because I’ve always been such a fuckin big mouth. But [Tom] Byron when it all happened was sittin’ there he goes, dude, you made fuckin’ history, man. I’m like, yeah, okay.” Adding comment, Wankus said he didn’t know if this was history that you wanted to brag about.
In a question Wankus thought was even odd to ask, Black talks about whether he’d welcome an appeal or would want it to end now. “If it goes to appeal then it goes to appeal,” says Black. “If it goes to the Supreme Court, it goes to the Supreme Court. It doesn’t matter because I was prepared to do whatever the hell we had to do.” Black was also asked if he was getting support from people in the industry.
“Some people were [supporting me]; some people weren’t,” says Black. “The people that weren’t were more just because of me as a person. It wasn’t so much about the case. It was just me as a person. I have a history of being an asshole. Go figure.”
In what Wankus called a priceless clip, Black is asked about his relationship with Larry Flynt. Black responds then brings attorney Paul Cambria into the picture.
Wankus also noted that Cambria threatened KSEX when the station had Tera Patrick on as a peejay. “We wrote a very nice letter back to him saying fuck you. And he [Cambria] lost.”
Black calls Flynt a piece of shit.
“He is what he is,” says Black. “He’s a piece of shit. His lawyer Paul Cambria is just like kicking himself in the balls. Because on a lot of interviews Cambria likes to run around and say that he referred me to Lou Sirkin. And now that it’s all done let me tell you what Paul Cambria did. Somebody put me on to him because they were like you got to get Paul. I talked to him and Cambria said, you know what? I’ll take your case but you got to give me $100,000 right now. I said, I don’t have a hundred thousand cash right now. He goes, well., he goes that’s the only way I’m going to do it. And $100,000 and then we’ll probably need another $100,000 and he just kept going on and on.
“He goes can you get it from anybody in the business? And I go, no. He goes you don’t have any friends? And he’s like, oh yeah, I forgot. You fight with everybody. I’m, like, look at this motherfucker. He goes, well, let me make some calls. He goes I got a guy out of Florida. And he mentions this jerkoff’s name. There’s a guy out of Denver who’s good. He goes, then there’s this guy out of Cincinnati, Lou Sirkin. He’s alright. And I go, well, I don’t know. Let me see what I can do. He goes why don’t you see if you can put together that money and then we’ll talk again.
“I call David Sturman at Sin City and Sturman tells me go with Sirkin. He goes Sirkin’s a better attorney, go with Sirkin. And I called Frank [Frank Kay] out of New Jersey and Pleasure. He said go with Sirkin. So I called Cambria, can you put me on with Lou. He calls me back, he goes call Lou and I think he’ll be able to help you. So I called Lou. We talked and Lou took the case and now Cambria’s takin’ a hammer and hammerin’ his own balls and goin’ why the fuck did I not take this case? I had a precedent setting case and I fucked it up. I dropped the ball because I’m greedy and I’m the lawyer for people like Larry Flynt who don’t like me because all they want to do is protect their fuckin’ casino who helps contribute to the moral degeneracy of our fuckin’ place on earth by taking advantage of compulsive gamblers…and I’m a bad guy? This cocksucker.”