Porn Valley- I had a chat a couple of weeks ago with Kyle Stone on the set of The Vampire Chronicles, the series from Dru Berrymore's company, ArchAngel. Stone's role in the movie is one of being a suitor to the vampire queen. "This particular movie is going to open up on my face," says Stone. "Sorry guys. But I'm basically pitching myself to the queen." In another of The Vampire Chronicles movies, Stone plays a porn guy having a sex scene with Nicki Hunter. "That was awesome," said Stone.
Stone came into the business in 1992 when he was still working days at a prestigious L.A. Law firm. His porn alter ego, however, became a hot button issue at work and he subsequently had to leave. But get Stone talking on the topic of Viagra. Oh, brother.
Stone, who almost married porn chick Velvet Rose, and I both agree that the time he got into porn was the best ever in the business. It was fun and a lot of laughs. And there was a lot of work to go around. Not to put too fine a point on it, Stone's making maybe half of what he used to, he says. Reasons being, less feature work and more guys coming in the business relying on the blue pill.
"What was a skill is now a pill," is Stone's saying. If nothing else, though, Stone is way more comfortable in front of a camera. "Although I was pretty comfortable doing what I was doing." Stone's first scene was for Rodney Moore. "Afterwards he told me, you've done this before. I told him, no. He goes, you have. I said this was my first time doing it front of a camera. He asked me how did I know to open up. I said I've seen porn and if I don't get my body out of the way, you can't see what you need to see."
Stone's partner was Natasha. "Nasty Natasha," Stone recalls. "She went through being a blond- she changed her hair a couple of times. She went by Eden for a little while." Natasha got Stone in the business. "I met her through a wrong phone number one night and we ended up having phone sex. A couple of weeks later we met. A couple of weeks after that we had sex and she asked me after we had sex if I ever thought of being in porn." Being a healthy male who had seen porn, Stone said of course he had thought about what it would like to be in porn. Natasha offered him encouragement but wanted Stone to take a week off to think about the ramifications. "I have a feeling you're going to be very good at this," she told Stone. "Apparently she saw something in me that at that point I hadn't," says Stone.
Natasha also told Stone he was going to be good and well known and to consider what that would mean, especially where his parents, friends and co-workers were concerned. Stone took the week and thought about it realizing he didn't care as long as he wasn't hurting anybody and enjoying his life. As for his parents, he would deal with that on his own time. Stone was working at a big law firm in Century City. "It was a big firm- three floors," he says. "I was doing movies at night and on the weekends. Eventually those movies starting running on Spice and a couple of people that worked in the firm saw them. And so the rumors started to spread."
For about three years, Stone would continue to work at the firm and do porn on the side. "At the time there was a couple of directors that would schedule me for the third or fourth scene of the day which means I could right from work, go to the set, be there until two, three in the morning, do his scene and then start in again with his day job.
"It was brutal but I was making good money," says Stone. It eventually became an issue at his workplace when the secretaries found out about it. "One of the secretaries was making it a habit to go out to video stores, finding one of my movies, cueing the scene up and then at lunch time she'd send out memos to all her girlfriends and say, hey, are you going to watch the KF Show, the Kyle Stone Show. That's what they called it. She lived close to the office and they'd all bring a bag lunch, go over to her place and she'd put on the scene and they'd all watch me have sex. They kept talking about it and talking about it. The attorneys just go so sick of them talking about it that I became a bee in the bonnet as it was described to me by my manager. Eventually they found reason to fire me."
Stone, who was in computers before he took a job at the law firm, knew how to intercept and check e-mails. "I basically put out a search for anything involving KF," he said. Stone found a memo from the secretary who was organizing the porno lunches, saying that she purposely left her sink full of dishes so she wouldn't have to view "that sick motherfucker" again. Stone was thinking as he read the memo. "Okay, I didn't tell you to go get my movie. I didn't tell you to go rent it. I didn't tell you to bring it home and watch it. I didn't tell you to cue it up and invite a bunch of people over. If you don't like it, why are you going out and making it such an issue to watch it and let other people watch it?"
Stone talked to other women who suggested that the secretary was putting up a front for the other girls and was turned on by the fact he was a porn star. "That was her way." According to what Stone learned, the secretary was getting the movie, watching it the night before- doing whatever- cueing it up and could act like it was totally disgusting to her and act like she wasn't watching it. "She could play it off like it was all disgusting to her. If it was so disgusting, why was she making an effort to get it? That bothered me. If it bothers you, don't watch it. You can change the channel or not rent the tape. I'm not forcing it on people."
Stone addresses the Viagra issue and is saddened by it. "It's not that my income got cut in half which it certainly did," he says. "Imagine whatever you're making now and in a two month period it got cut in half. That's what happened to me. It's not like I did anything wrong or was messing up on my scenes. It's just a bunch of people could suddenly do my job. It wasn't that they had the skill to do it, it's just that they took medication that allowed them to do it. I'm sorry, it didn't set well with me."
Noting that Stone is one of those rare performers who could deliver a scene and some convincing script readings, Stone, as a go-to guy, concedes that there's less feature work. "I had a reputation for being able to hold dialogue, act, make it somewhat believable- I hope. I was glad to have that capability but the work has dried up. It's all about them wanting the new guys, the young guys- I understand and I'm okay with some of that. But some of the roles I've seen put it, just doesn't work. The acting I don't think is necessarily that good. Not that people buy it for the acting. But it kills me to see roles I wish I had go to people that I don't think should necessarily have them.
"When I came in," continues Stone, "Rick Masters, Dave Hardman. Michael J. Cox, Steve Hatcher- these guys- we worked for our money. You had to prove yourself. When you came in you didn't jump into a feature. You didn't do features for a long time. The first thing you did was an amateur video. Low money, but you had to prove that you could do the scene. Then you'd probably go up to pro-am where you had the same situation but you also had to prove that you could open up to camera and perform. And you worked your way up. Sooner or later somebody would recommend you for a more professional feature.
"That's how you worked your way up," Stone goes on to say. "You had to take steps to get there. Now a guy walks in off the street, they hand him a little blue pill, they say go and fuck that girl and the directors wan to know why they can't see anything. You've got a guy that hasn't been trained how to perform. He's fucking. I don't fuck on camera. I perform on camera. That's one of the things that I try to explain to my friends. I get pleasure out of it because I love women but I've always come to work- it's a job for one thing- I'm working, and I'm not having sex or my pleasure. I'm having sex for the people that are watching the video. It's about allowing them to see what you're doing. If the cameraman is trying to see a penetration shot, get your body as far out of the way as possible and allow the penetration to be seen; and if at all possible allow the girl to be seen."
According to Stone, directors are fighting with the talent to get them to open up.
"I know I'm going to piss a lot of people off," adds Stone. "But there's a lot of men in our industry who don't particularly like women. A lot of these new guys I'm convinced do not like women. Back in my day, you needed the girl. I needed the girl. If you didn't have something to work with, you weren't going to get hard. There were no magic tricks, pills or any of that stuff. Nowadays a guy's got a fuckin' hard on when he walks in the room. He doesn't need her at all and you can tell by the way the scenes are being done."
Stone says he's got people coming up to him wondering where they can get some old porn.
"I always ask them why and they say the same thing- I want to watch a scene where the girl's not getting choked, she's not spit on, she's not slapped. She's not made to gage. Her eyes aren't watering. She's not crying by the end of the scene. She's not beat up. I just want to watch a scene where the girl takes control of the dick and if she wants to make herself gag, she does it itself. There's no hand on the back of her head forcing her. If she wants the cock out the side of her mouth, she does it herself. She's not made to do that. But everything out there now is so misogynistic that they can't get anything that appeals to them. I talk to people and say that's not what's selling. This business has always been people wanting to buy what they don't have. For awhile they didn't have anal. If you put anal in the scene, everything with anal sold. Okay now everything has anal, what's next? Beating the girl up. If you weren't totally abusing the girl, you couldn't get that. Then all of a sudden all the abuse stuff came out and they're selling it like crazy."
Asked if he's been put in the position of having to perform in videos he didn't want to, Stone's answer seems to depend on who the director and performer is. He mentions Mason. "She likes to shoot rough sex with girls however she's very particular about the girls that she will shoot," Stone says. "She'll make sure the girl's into rough sex. If Mason's shooting and she looks into the camera lens and sees the girl's in fear and not enjoying it, she'll stop it. She'll say no this isn't going to work and you need to work. If she sees the girls has that glow, and she's totally into it, she keeps shooting. I'll work with that. If the girl's into that sort of thing, I'll go with it. But there's too many girls in this industry are not into it but they're saying they are. All you have to do is watch the video. You look in her eyes and you can tell."
Stone believes that if someone puts out an old school--style porn right now, it'll sell. "If someone puts out some really good gonzo porn that is hot sex, letting the girl decides what she wants, I'm positive that it would sell."
Curiously enough, Stone has never won an acting award much one for sexual performance. "Period, end of story," Stone ironically, noting that every media person he's talked to, can't believe that. Stone has learned that he's been up for XRCO's Unsung Swordsman a couple of times, but other than that, squanto. Stone said he went to the recent show just in case but it went to Brian Surewood. "And I love Brian. Brian's one of the good guys."
I talk to Stone about the remarkable staying power that male performers exhibit. Stone says people often ask him what's his secret. "I don't really know if I had a secret," he says. "What I told people back before the chemical age, I'd say to be male talent you have to have something different about you. You have to be the guy that was horny at five years old. I was. I humped furniture when I was a kid. I had a problem with it."
I suggest to Stone that the mere fact of being that horny almost presumes premature ejaculation. Stone will tell you that growing up, he had a few girlfriends, was aware of his body, would pull out and could control it. "People want to know the secret. I'll tell any guy if you want to learn to extend your ejaculation time, when you're with a girl and feel that sensation coming, stop, pull out, go down on her. Your hard on's not going to go away. Trust me."
Besides Velvet Rose, I ask Stone if there's been any other women from the business that stand out in his mind.
"Kylie Ireland has always been one of my favorite girls," Stone responds. "The reason that is, is Kylie fortunately or unfortunately depending how you look at it, tied into probably the worst day of my life. It was for Cass Paley and he was directing a movie for VCA. My mother died and I was scheduled to work. She had a heart attack and I was notified that she was gone, although they revived her on the way to the hospital. I was scheduled to work and didn't know what to do. I was sitting around the hospital and had a call time. I knew I should have cancelled but didn't know what I was going to do all day. I ended up going to work. My father said what do you think your mother would say- get your ass to work. I went to work and had a scene with Kylie.
"Chloe was on the set that day," continues Stone. "Another person who means a great deal to me. Kylie was very, very, very understanding that day. We got through the dialogue. And when the sex scene started, she really helped me out a lot that day. It was the worst day of my life without a doubt. But I remember there being maybe two hours that I was doing the scene with Kylie that I got to go away. I forgot about everything that was going on in my life that morning. I don't know how I performed. All I remember that I was able to escape for two hours thanks to Kylie."
