> SD3270 posts on ADT: Very interesting article. No one should be surprised that racism exists in the adult film industry because it's also in every OTHER form of entertainment. For the most part I'd have to say that the MAJORITY of caucasian females in the industry probably don't care about the color of their male partner in a scene. But just like if you go to a bar and there's the white chick that just isn't into black guys the same can be said for the adult industry. For all we know some of the females that won't do interracial MAY do it in their private lives but don't want to hurt their chances at getting a contract by doing it on film.
I feel if a woman refuses to do interracial it should be because it just isn't her cup of tea, NOT because she's afraid of being blacklisted. I'm sure there are some black male performers that if they weren't getting paid to have sex with a white woman, they would prefer a black woman in a scene. People have their preferences, there just shouldn't be a threat of retribution or blacklisting for a white woman that chooses to have sex w/a black man. And I actually have "LET ME TELL YA BOUT BLACK CHICKS" on vhs...got it while I was in High School...the scene with SAHARA getting DP'ed by two Klansmen didn't really sink in at the time because I was a freshman or sophmore enjoying a porno....but looking back at it, it was degrading to Sahara. I wonder if she looks back at it or did immediately after doing the scene and regretted it.
The Dark Brothers always pushed the envelope.....and the crazy thing is it was a hot scene. I guess at that age I couldn't see the effed up side of the scene. I was just a young man hornier than a toad. lol Again if a white male/female or black male/female doesn't want to work with someone of another race, that's their right. It's just like society, and you have to remember these are sex acts for pay, so you can choose to NOT get paid, if you don't believe in something. Just make sure it's because of your personal morals and not some jerk telling you not to have sex with someone. Ya dig? I'm a black man that doesn't have a problem seeing black men with white women or white men with black women. Porn is a fantasy for the viewer....as long as the woman is hot and the scene is hot that's all I'm concerned with. Do I get tired of seeing titles like "LITTLE WHITE CHICKS, BIG BLACK MONSTER DICKS"? Sure. But you're always going to have the sterotypes out there, just like in other forms of entertainment. Until performers REFUSE to be associated with stereotype sounding titles they will continue to exist. In my personal life I find women of ALL races attractive, and have had sex/relationships with women of different races, but my preference is black women. These white starlets have their preference also. Just because she won't sleep with a black man doesn't mean she hates blacks.....maybe she just doesn't want to do it. And THAT should be the ONLY reason she doesn't.
> Gentleman Jon writes on ADT: I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I don't understand why some performers won't work with other performers because of race. That seems racist to me, unless of course they happen to have a very small list of men they'll work with, period, which can be BF or husband only.
But I don't like how so often the interracial scenes that do exist have to perpetuate stereotypes and have titles like Big Black Dicks in Little White Chicks, or whatever. I'm not blind, I can see the color of their skin, but why emphaisize that someone is black and their partner is white and bring up stereotypes? Why not act like it is perfectly natural for people of different races to love and have sex with each other? When videos have an attitude of "Hey look at us, interracial is TABOO, but we're breaking that taboo," I fear they may be actually reinforcing the taboo.
>Eric 381 writes:As for the article, it's sex for god sake. Public or not, just because one chooses not to do a particular race, religion/creed, etc. doesn't make them racist. The production houses perhaps, the marketers...yes. But the performers, no. That is screwing with free will, whether it's a part of your job or not. As much one way or another I don't really give a damn about interracial pairings in porn, but I think the whole "ghetto" theme is overdone & only a self-proclaimed stereotype that black folks have bigger cocks than whitey. I repeat, that doesn't make me racist...rather someone who just thinks the theme has worn out it's welcome. This whole stereotype, blaming the performers is just a cop-out, something to gain attention from that side of the industry. That kind of stuff goes far beyond porn, however, it's a general stereotype just now being applied to the adult industry to gain more fuel for a race riot. Fight within the industry, and it'll kill itself, the same thing the unions do in my vocation...management (the moral majority) loves every minute of it.
>SD3270 adds:Gentleman Jon and Eric381 both of you make great points. I'm black and I personally get tired of the sterotype of black men being HUUUGE. lol There are small guys out there and there a BIG guys out there in every race. I've seen QUITE A FEW white men that are packing heat. lol Just because you're black doesn't mean you pack. For every Lex Steele there's a Santino Lee, ya dig?
Basically once the stereotypes go out the window and we get rid of stuff like "BLACK BITCHES...", "GHETTO BOOTY" "BLACK IN THE SADDLE" (**note** I'm not saying these films suck, I'm just not into the titles...BLACK IN THE SADDLE was actually pretty good..lol) in the titles things may change a bit. But again like I said, just because you're in the adult industry doesn't mean you MUST fuck anyone they tell you to. It's still your choice. If I wasn't into Pakistani women and they told me to do one in a scene, I should have the right to say no....and not really have to explain. Alot of these white starlets may not have really ever had interaction with blacks until coming to California. So you can't blame them for not doing something. If they're racist about it then there's a problem. But if they choose not to, that's their right.
What good is fighting for freedom in this country if your gov't depraves you of them civially? Regardless, my best to all those overseas this holiday.
Eric
> Expo Vids writes:The most common excuse given by female talent is "I am just not into black guys".
LOL, what fucking bullshit. You mean to tell me that these same girls are "into" ALL of the other guys they do scenes with? I have heard models complain about how much a certain male talent digusts them and then a few months later I see that they have done yet another scene with him.
One legit reason for not doing interracial scenes that never seems to be brought up in these discussions is that if a model starts doing black guys on camera then they tend to get booked for those scenes left and right.
So let's say a girl starts doing interracial. All of a sudden that is 90% of the scenes she is doing. I will admit that if a model has been in several scenes getting DP'd by 2 huge black guys that I am less likely to book them for lesbian or regual b/g scene. This is stricly a business move on my part. Just like it is often a business move for models to not do interracial scenes.
FYI, interracial scenes are the #1 type of scene I shoot at the moment. I am constantly trying to get models who do not list "interracial" in their model profiles to agree to work with a black guy. Sometimes those models will do interracial but only with a specific guy.
Too bad there are not more hotties like Tiffany Rayne who do interracial scenes. It would make my job a hell of a lot easier :)
So if you are a model and would like to shoot an interracial scene, or if you are a black guy who wants a shot at working with us on a regualr basis then shoot me an email to makingbank at gmail dot com
> Real Tip writes:This is an issue that has been raised on this forum before, about which even I myself have spoken at length. I did read the article, and the information provided in it ought not surprise anyone. Personally, it didn't tell me anything I didn't already know. The only disagreement I have with it is the partial blame on the Republican Right. I highly suspect that people working in porn really place all that much emphasis on what the Republican Right says. If they did, they probably wouldn't be working in porn in the first place. But then again, I could just be simplifying things too much.
But anyway, all this stuff about, "Well, it's only the girls' choice," is nonsense. Porn stars are paid to have sex with a variety of men. If a female porn star shows up for work and is told she will work with a white guy who she has never met before, and she has no problem with it, then why should it be a problem if she is asked to work with a black guy? And it has nothing to do with attraction either. For one thing, there are plenty of nice-looking black dudes in porn. Secondly, do you honestly believe that these same girls are "attracted" to every white guy with whom they work? No. If they can have sex with a white guy to whom they're not attracted, then why should it make a difference if he's a black? There's only one reason: Bigotry. Just like that girl mentioned at the beginning of the article (even though she was unnamed, I believe I know who she is), who would do every nasty thing under the sun but, for some reason, being with a black guy was classified as the most repulsive thing she could ever do. I found that to be so hysterical, and an apparent sign that must not be too bright.
Yet, she would have us believe she is not racist, especially since she has "coloured" friends (though she neglected to mention what "colour" they were). It just amazes me how racist people are often so quick to deny that they really are racist. Racist people will often say and do some of the most blatantly racist things and then, in the same breath, will turn around and say, "Oh, But I'm not racist," even though their words and actions clearly prove otherwise. Whenever people have said that to me, I tell them, "Yes, you are," and then I tell them why they are. And I have often had alot of former "friends" who have never spoken to me again after such situations. Even though the truth hurts, it is not my job to ease their guilt and make them feel better about themselves for being racist.
But getting back to the topic at hand, it seems outlandish to compare porn to "apartheid." Seriously, if some racist porn chick refuses to perform with a guy of a different race, it's not that big a deal. Personally, I just don't patronize the companies who contract these girls (and we all know who they are). I prefer to patronize companies whose hiring policies, in regards to race, are on a 21st-century level. But other than that, some porn chick or porn studio having racist policies is not exactly equal to the oppression of "apartheid." To equate porn to "apartheid" is an immense trivialization of the latter. But anyway, I really couldn't care less about these studios and actresses who have these policies, which is exactly why I dont watch them. Likewise, I'm sure these companies and the girls who work for them don't care for ALL of their potential porn viewers either because, if they did, they wouldn't be so nonchalant about offending certain segments of their viewing population in such a way.
Rather than trying to figure out why these few particular chicks won't work with black guys, I applaud the likes of Lex Steele who just went ahead and started his own company recruiting his own talent to work for him. Hopefully, more black directors will follow suit and pose formidable competition to the bigots of the industry. With all these ultra-hot, gorgeous women in the industry who have no problem doing IR, it's a waste of time worrying about those few who won't. Besides, if I had to choose, I'd spend my money on Mercenary any day rather than Vivid or Wicked which I stopped watching years ago.
I could go on, but I've talked enough. Plus, today is Christmas Eve and there's a lot to do with little time to do it. So I better go. Happy Holidays everyone!
> Eric 381 comments some more:And again, I'll say...
You can go shopping, bowling, etc. with anyone you want, but fucking someone is a personal thing. It involves a probably the MOST INTIMATE form of physical contact allowed on any job site. If they don't want that level of physical contact with someone, it shouldn't be forced on them & thus they don't have to take the role...regardless of race, sex, religion, etc. Term it however you wish, it's just a character choice. But just b/c someone chooses not to screw black men on film (or in their personal lives), doesn't make them racist.
Your use of the words "bigot" and "racist" seem to be tossed around by those parties most offended by it, denial completely aside. It's also a very easy word to throw around, like a fat man tossing his weight in a wrestling ring. Your use of the word "racist" is so loose, if a porn starlet were to say "I don't do anal", does that make her "prude" all of a sudden? Lemme guess, it's all pink inside, right? "Racist" implies evil or violent beliefs towards a person of different color. Speaking for myself & perhaps many of those in the industry, it's what one calls a personal preference. These people aren't saying that "all blacks/jews should die in a vicious genocide" or anything like that, they're saying they just choose not to fuck them on camera. For all we know, maybe they have an S/O of the difference race at home, and want to mix things up a little on screen?
Point made...you should have the right to refuse WHOMEVER you wish to work with, porn or mainstream film, under such conditions. One place onscreen you likely don't have a choice is media (let's say), where your weatherman is black. Don't like it? Move to another station. In the porn industry in particular, maybe some of these "whitey's" don't want their name smeared as "just some whore who fucks gangsta's (cuz' we all know that only black folks can be gangsta's, right?)" If it was a respectible production that didn't make the female a target of a 4-on-1 "gangsta gangbang" or the like, maybe there wouldn't be so much bias in the industry. Personally, the stereotype placed behind websites like Spring Thomas' makes me sick, it's no wonder some girls don't want to be associated with that. You can have SHITLOADS of sex, and still not be a whore ~ much less be subject to being treat like one. Websites like Spring's parade the "counter" stereotype that there are "girls who want some flava' in their men, cuz' vanilla is boring". When is the last time you some honky doing a production called "White Cracka & Chocolate Creme Sandwich" or anything along those lines?
Shit, I'm long-winded...sorry
> SD 3270 repliesI feel you Eric381....whether or not we like it, it's ultimately the females choice on who they want to sleep with. I dealt with a white female that was "nervous" about dealing with me for the first time because I was black. She had heard the rumors, etc. and didn't want to be hurt, etc. Stereotypes out there make us out to be beasts and she soon found out that having sex with me was the same as any man...I just happened to be black. Alot of these starlets are ignorant (remember ignorance is the absence of knowledge) to blacks in general. If all I'm seeing as a white teen from Salt Lake City, UT that just came to the porn world of California, is the sterotypical black dudes in some of the mainstream Hip Hop videos, or in the porn world stuff like "GANGLAND", "D.P. THAT WHITE PUSSY", and other titles that advertise "young white sluts getting their pussies stretched/banged/torn/etc." I'd be a little shook. lol If I'm a white girl new to the business that's never been with a black man and I see some of Justin Slayer's stuff I'm thinking, "These guys are going to DAMAGE me!!!" lol (**NOTE** I like Slayer's work....but the fucking is VERY hard.) Maybe some of the females are just scared because of stereotypes. Maybe they were brought up to believe that races aren't supposed to mingle when it comes to sex. You can't blame them for what they've been programmed to believe. Not to make excuses for them, but again it's their choice.
Maybe they're just not attracted to black guys. Ultimately, I don't think ANY of the females are just going to come out and say that they don't like blacks, etc. But then again you MAY get one that's vocal and says it. Looking at how blacks were portrayed in porn from the 80's to now you would think we would be past the stereotypes. Unfortunately a check is more important to some. Let the white females that want to do interracial do it, and those that don't, hey...fuck 'em. There's enough money out there for everyone. Just didn't understand what Expo_Vids meant by:
"I will admit that if a model has been in several scenes getting DP'd by 2 huge black guys that I am less likely to book them for lesbian or regual b/g scene. This is stricly a business move on my part."
What business move is it?
> Chico Wang adds comment:Don't people have a choice anymore? Does everything have to be construed as racist?
I personally don't like girls with fake tits. Nor do I like super black girls (too hard to shoot with the camera). However, that doesn't mean I haven't shot black girls or girls with fake tits. It means, in general, 90% of them turn me off and I ain't gonna shoot any girl that I wouldn't stick my dick in (with the aid of Cialis of course).
However, shooting a black guy with a big dick sliding up a little white girl's pussy or asshole is pretty cool. Unfortunately, my male talent pool I trust is very slim and loyal and the black guys I've used in the past are either unreliable egomaniacs or have visa problems and have been nixed from my list.
You have to remember that alot of girls enter the marketplace looking for a piece of the pie. Although it isn't as commonplace as it used to be, some girls start with GG, go to BG, switch to Anal, then open themselves to IR. Each succeeding jump opens up themselves to a new piece of the market where they wait for a director that'll give them a huge payout for their first of a kind and continue to do those type of scenes among previous acts they've been known for.
I remember when Ariana Jollee lived with me and there was some bullshit talk about her being a racist. I knew it wasn't true. But when work dried up for her, she did IR and increased her commodity overnight.
I'm also aware that alot of girls escort or do the stripping circuit. Not everyone does it solely in Los Angeles where we tend to be a bit liberal than some other parts of the United States. There are alot of John's out there that may not fuck an escort who did a five guy, black guy anal cream pie scene. It's business.
Are there racist porn girls out there? Sure.
Will I ever force a white girl to do interracial against her wishes? Nope, never.
It's alot more complex often times than throwing out stupid names.
Chico Wang, A rare Asian director in the business
> Nutty Buddy comments:This is slightly like the argument I made not too long ago, but I agree, comparing the shit to apartheid is just silly. I also agree with the girl having the right to fuck whom ever she wants. We don't need friggin' affirmitive action. It's kind of tricky because the pornchicks I tend to fancy eventually fuck black dudes at some point in their career. This is about 95% of the time. It's really not that important but somehow I know that's in their nature.
Perhaps because it's natural and the girls I tend to dig are naturals. They're meant to do this. I'm a guy that knows what I like and the girls I like seem to know what I like too. The "un-natural" types that hold back never really interest me to begin with. I think I just have an eye for them because these same girls ultimately avoid black men like the plague.
I like foreign girls more than American girls. Brazilian or Dominican girls more than "black girls". E. Euro girls more than "white girls". Kind of like how some American girls dig dudes with accents and shit like that. That's just my preference.
I don't think there's enough good looking "black girls" in the industry. Sometimes you have to wonder "where are all those hot rap video hoes?!?!". It just seems like black girls aren't as attracted to the industry as other girls are. Many of the black girls I've interacted with over the years are slightly more secretive about their sexuality. Strip clubs seem to be cool but pornos are a "no go". They're also not marketed in the same way.
It can be said, but to me Euro girls aren't "white girls". You have the option of calling them Czech, Magyar, Romanian etc. Aside from the Irish, Italian and Jewish Americans that have a pretty strong ethnic background, most of these girls are just straight up "white girls". That's what they usually call themselves, or the defunct "caucasion". The greater percentage of these girls do not "go there" on camera for various reasons. Whatever the reason may be, the fickleness of it all has always been apparent to me. They just don't fool me. I guess it's because I know "white girls" just as well as I know "black girls" (whom aren't Cuban, Jamaican, Dominican etc).
I dig pretty girls in general so I'm not geographically bashing anyone, but I think it's clear Americans don't have much culture to work with if shit is as simple as "black" and "white". Not only is it as simple as black and white, people--especially white women and yes--black men, are discouraged from "going there". Laws preventing unions on the basis of race was unheard of in all world history.
In the deep south young white boys were accustomed to sleeping with black girls. You were not a man until you lay with a black girl. This tradition in the south and elsewhere accounts for most people with mixed heritage. White women were not only discouraged from unions with black men, they were also taught not to ask questions about their men's liaisons with black girls. Eventually the latter part became a national problem but thats a whole other story.
Point is, you dont see this indifference to "interracial" to this degree in European women and Euro porn because they don't have the same "racial" baggage as we do, and I'm certain them having very old cultures and traditions to dissuade them from such nonsense has a tremendous influence on this as well.
I'm perfectly fine with the girls that won't go there. There will always be someone hotter that will do it all and enjoy themselves more.
> JamesB23 writes: What I find disturbing is how completely fucked up the USA is about race full stop....I'm black and I feel like dropping to my knees and crying tears for being from the UK. I'm married to a gorgeous white woman and you know what.....nobody gives a fuck.
We recently went to Atlanta and boy, oh boy did I get some stares. It got so bad that I actually approached someone in the street and told them to chill.
Interracial porn is a battle ground for the simple reason that in the US black people and white people don't live together, they know absolutely nothing about each other so live in a bizarre world of myth and stereotype which is only reflected in porno.
Its all rather pointless and in truth makes the US the laughing stock of the world. Nobody outside of the US can understand the fuss. A dick is a dick, a pussy is a pussy. Its all getting fucked on camera.
If a chick is happy to be drink a cup of cum from 5 guys but won't ever entertain fucking a black guy....I'd say that's a chick best avoided anyway.
